Non custom rifles are often a hit or miss affair. Commissions are earned for links to Brownell's, Amazon, MidwayUSA, GoHunt, OpticsPlanet, Sportsman's Warehouse, and other retailers. My concern is that with your test, the vanguard with a #2 profile barrel threw shot #5 basically everytime. (Momentum 2018 followed by the Momentum Elite 2019). All six chamberings available in U.S.-market Momentums come with a threaded barrel. I have a Momentum elite varmint in 224 Valkyrie. I too had nailed it down to the Savage or the Ruger American Rifle. Fierce are not perfect but over all compared to everything else on the market there really hard to beat. Weatherby Mark V Weatherby makes a fantastic rifle. Ive been looking at the varment line in a 6.5 cm. What do you think about the CZ 557 line and the new 600s? The Momentum loved Armscors 168 grain FMJs, though. Hold on to it. Myself being a lefty, I have been on the hunt for a good rifle for midwest deer and western hunting in 6.5 PRC. But I cant understand why offering left handed guns seems impossible to some manufacturers. With them being two different price points, Id be interested in your thoughts on spending the extra amount on the waypoint. Manse, he actually has a point this time. You know Beretta will not support either rifle. Those that do could at least be highlighted. I agree with you. I\ve hunted since high school age but always small game/birds. Have you ever tested any Franchi hunting rifles? Have you reviewed one yet? Slim Fit Leather Jackets brings this iconic jacket from animation to reality, especially for all the fans of this video game. You have no opinion worth anything. It looks to be right @ the very top of weight class Id like, but with the adjustable stock,shape,look & Carbon Barrel, seems to be right in the wheelhouse of what Id like for my larger caliber (wish they had it in .300 PRC) rifle. My mossberg patriot shoots like a custom rifle. I have Burris rings for a Tikka T3 base which are basically the same as the Zee rings. NO, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_in_Italy, F Franchi, and Baretta and their ilk. Im in the market for my very first rifle and I have been eying up the Weatherby Vanguard ever since I saw you pick it. It is their lowest entry point to their rifles but looks interesting. In case anyone is wondering and didnt click the link, its available in 6.5Creedmore. Very impressed. I looked at the Waypoint locally and thought is was a really nice gun. TIKKA is proven, Franchi has some good reports. Shut up Vlad. Id probably go with the Bergara Wilderness Ridge. So I do still think they have some QC issues to deal with. Price points on the ammo dont put them too far apart when searching on Ammoseek, usually within 5 bucks a box depending upon brand. In fact, I did a whole video showing the limitations of the Ruger American. The CVA Cascade is an exceptional rifle for the price. Jim, So it is not a 700 rem action like the Bergara, So no MDT chassis at this time to match. Take your pick but you get a super reliable gun and if you ever broke an extractor or firing pin you can change them out right in the field within minutes. One issue that has come up with all three of their guns is having to check and tighten the front and rear action assembly screws. Seems like the bergara barrel profile would be better for larger cartridges. May 7, 2018. I know its very high end but with a replaced hip and knee, I want anchored shots and believe that cartridge is a slight upgrade on the venerable 300WM. They need to get their stuff together first. I am looking to buy a Savage 110 Timberline in 300 win mag, what is opinion about it ? The stock is cheesy feeling, but nicely shaped and rigid. Travis Skurray from Australia. Do you still recommend them. Tikka T3X Compact Bolt-Action Rifle - Best .308 Lightweight Hunting Rifle. Nor do my groups appear to be outliers for the Momentum. Thank you for your time and effort. What would you like to know? Fierce Reaper I just love it so much. Most of the great rifles youve taken time to make us salivate for do not make left handed models. Ive got an old 700 that is a beautiful gun and was a great deal but Im taking the plastic stock Savage up in the tree this fall. The action quality, as well as the barrel, produces a very accurate rifle. The more you talk the clearer it becomes that youve never held much less used a gun. I thought of the Waypoint myself but I also like the Sako Finnlight II. 1 Image (s) Franchi Momentum Elite 6.5 Creed Realtree Excape 24" TB Burnt Bronze 41606. Love your videos and reviews thanks a ton. He missed the entire point of the product to rant about what great deals can be had on old guns. Im looking for ANY rifle with a floor plate, metal, and wood but the only two I find are model 70, and browning. I owned one in .28 Nosler and it was a very poor choice for that heavy-recoiling of a cartridge. I had a Waypoint 2020 6.5 PRC on order for a long while- when one finally showed up and I was able to handle it, I just could not warm up to it. Did you pick up the Seekins? Launched on the March 2018 cover of Guns & Ammo, the Momentum was actually Franchi's first rifle. The Sig Cross has really become one of my favorite guns to shoot. Hi, I really enjoy your reviews on YouTube. what do you think of it? Ergonomics * * * * My initial impression is that it is a pretty standard budget bolt gun. Ill update the post. Thank you and keep up the great job! Jim, based on your reviews and several others, Id really like go with the 6.8 Western. Thanks Jim Harmer, great video and data to follow. The plasticky stock is Pure junk. I do have a question that I hope you will address. Just easier to carry in hand, never a sling. I might add for a hunting rifle the 6.5 Swede is superior to the 6.5 Screedmore. I absolutely love the 2020 waypoint! Mr. Harmer, I really appreciate your reviews on the Sig Cross and Waypoint. Its just so short, light, and accurate. I am not sure, or saying one is better than the other, but that was something that bothered me. They seem to check a lot of the boxes Im looking in a rifle and seem to have a lot of bang for the buck for a rifle just over $500. The Carbon Predator looks cool, but really just a slight variation on the 110 ultralite. I have been looking at the Browning BAR for years, its a great gun, but I would really like to have an AR format. It is aggravating that the stock hugs the barrel on one side, but it doesnt contact on mine. There are many rifles above the $2k price point. $799.00 Add To Cart For Price. Ive never seen Sea Adler anywhere in the US, do you know if theyre imported? I dont know even they even sell it anymore but about 10-15 years ago my first .308 was a mossberg ATR. That\s not a total game changert now there are other choices. A little heavier than the cross but the little feedback Ive seen has been good. My main criteria is staying sub 6 lbs if I can for the rifle only and sub moa guarantee. If a close friend asked me what hunting rifle to buy at each price point, these would be my recommendations: If you dont want to read this entire post, jump to the section for rifles in your budget. Hi Jim, It would be a tiny bit more expensive, but really not much. I want a lightweight rifle that has mild Recoil with ballistics similar to 270 Winchester but in a short action. (1) The Springfield 2020 Waypoint with a steel barrel, (2) You could wait a few months for the new Bergara B14 Squared Crest to come out, or (3) Get a Sig Cross. Love you work and your research is unparalleled. It feels almost as rigid as concrete, and thats a good thing. Tikka T3X or Franchi Momentum Elite - ALDEER.COM Aldeer.com Copyright 2001-2022 Aldeer LLP. The internal box magazine holds four rounds. Overall, I think the best three rifles under $1,000 are the Tikka T3X Lite, the Bergara B-14 Ridge, and the Weatherby Vanguard. I also own a Savage 110 Ultralite in 6.5 PRC- fantastic accuracy, but I just could not warm up to the plasticy stock. John did tell me that they are currently working on a fix for the extractor problem. I'll stick with my Tikkas, they make me happy! Bergara seems to have just come out with a Walnut stock maybe as a result of one of you comparing their stocks to garage floors??? That one is on my radar and Id love to hear your thoughts on it. Question. Those are cool, but very heavy guns. Great review. Thank you, October 15 2022 Christiansen Arms Traverse, 28 Nos. Any help deciding? Its actually a piece of cake. Thanks for the content you put out! Its an expensive gun but Ive been hearing good things. Fierce Rival I really like my Fierce Rival chambered in 6.5 PRC. I have been trying to get a Waypoint. These areas are designed to provide purchase and ergonomic grip options for different shooting positions and styles, such as the five seen above. Franchi Momentum All-Terrain Elite .223 Rem 18" 1:8" Bbl TrueTimber Strata/Midnight Bronze 10+1 Rifle 41751. Things happen and every animal is different, but I feel like its my duty to show that respect. I just have to say thank you I really appreciate your unbiased and honest opinions. Would love to know your thoughts on the Seekins Precision Havak PH2 rifles. I own a Fury in 6.5 Creedmoor that will shoot the smallest 5 shot group you ever seen. Looking for a good review of it after months of no Tikkas available locally in 308. I might add I have never found any real advantage with a short action rifle either. Loved this article keep em coming! Unless you spend 4-5 G on a custom built left handed. After reading you, I am going to use them now for hunting. I even bought one Mauser with a shot out barrel knowing it was shot out for $240 dollars complete with scope and had a local gunsmith rebarrel it for me and reblue the whole gun and I had only $600 in it. However, they really dont get enough attention from huntersmostly because they make few attempts to really stand out from the other rifles on the shelf. Why I Picked These Three Rifles Over the Competition. I have a slue of rifles in many calibers 22LR up to 338WM, except the 7mm mag. If so have they made any notable changes to this model over previous models? Hey Jim, I think your doing an amazing job on bringing us unbiased information all hunting gear not just rifles. Jim, would love to hear some feedback on Cooper firearms if you have any input? Theres also no shortage of cartridges that send a 6.5mm bullet at much higher velocities than the Swede so I have to assume by your metric those are all superior to the Swede? Threaded barrel for a brake. No, naturally I forgot to measure and I didnt keep the targets (estimating with the On Target app based on the dimensions of the ammo box, its about 0.45 MOA). Thanks. Threaded barrel, cerakote barrel, hand painted stock. The Weatherby Vanguard comes in several different editions. Not sure what caliber you tested the bergara b14 ridge in but, I bought one from Scheels last year in 6.5 prc and it would scratch up the casings, and jam up on the last round. First available in 1936 for Petes sake. At the back of the bolt shroud, the firing pin protrudes to show cocked status (as seen above) and is flush with the rear of the bolt shroud when not cocked. I decided to go a different direction by changing out the barrel for a 20 inch Proof. Hes not huge. XPR has a great barrel (mine was very accurate), free floated; pretty smooth bolt/action for price; same trigger as M70; permacote is durable; stock is better than most in price range. Beater rifles go until they cant. Could you add another tier or two? guns.com Buy. Trying to decide which roughly $1k or less rifle to get has been no easy task, and I still dont feel that Im close to deciding. Itd make a Backstreet Boy jealous. The Cross is great for 6.5 Creedmoor or 6.5 PRC, but the stock just isnt suitable for heavy recoiling cartridges. Regardless, they should have went with a flush mount magazine like the Axis which, if I may add sells new for a third of the Momentums MSRP in my part of the world. I have shot the Impulse and wasnt impressed. Removable e Box Magazine (Large Capacity) and And the thought of upgrades on a new rifle seems stupid to me. My main gun is a Tikka T3 in 30-06. Im sold on the 7mm-08 for hunting but am having a hard time deciding/finding a decent rifle chambered in that caliber. Seems like a lot of bang for the buck. Hello Jim, Your videos and information are amazing. I have monkey arms so a new stock is in the future for whatever rifle I choose another reason Im trying to keep the price down. Remember the cheap skates that passed up Colt Pythons when they were only $260 bucks and now are 10 times that. Will the new/faster twist rates make a difference to users? I ended up buying a Bergara Mountain 2.0, which checked all the boxes for me as a hunting rifle. A shiny one. Now they are North of $400. My 6.5 CM shoots sub MOA groups. The only problem with a Springfield 2020 Waypoint is they dont offer it in enough chamberings. I have been looking at the 6.8 western. I love that Fierce Reaper but would probably have to sell another nice gun to get it and not sure I quite want to do that. Never shot 6.5 but all I hear are good things whats your opinion. There really isnt much to complain about on a Bergara B-14. Iv shot most all But honestly these are not deal-breakers (or at least I think so). All are captive so you wont lose them. Would this interest you? I actually ordered a CVA cascade first, in .308, but changed my mind and returned it and bought the Franchi. have you try the weatherby mark v accumark in 300 win mag? Going to take the plungedeep. Like I said not sure what you tested it in, but I just wanted to let you know. The gun feels good in hand and the trigger feels great. YOU SHOULD TEST THE SAKO S20 in 6.5 PRC OR THE SAKO BRANDS. killed three whitetail with it this past season. Ill use my customized REM 700 in 300 win mag for elk. Push it flush with the inside of the trigger guard, and . So, here are my quick thoughts on some of the competition for the best premium factory rifle under $2,500. Overall * * * * The Tikka T3X Lite comes with an absolutely fantastic action. can you give me your thoughts on $1,049.00. To wit: 1. The build quality was amazing, and shot sub MOA with factory Norma ammo. Interesting comparison. Fun to read through this after watching all the vids. One-Piece Picatinny Rail Quick and easy optics mounting. I really love your channel. Any tips on bullet weight and powder brand? Overall Length: 42.3 inches Thanks. Some people get a good one, others get a lemon. I was unaware of the QC issues with the Cross. Thank you for your great videos especially on moderately priced optics and arms. Id be interested in seeing a review of the q fix. Jeremy strives to collect objective data whenever possible, and looks to write accurate reviews that reflect the true user experience. Watch my review here. I really wanted a 6.5 PRC for my first hunting rifle but with the ammo limitations Im probably going to get a 6.5 Creedmore instead. Franchi Momentum .308 Win Threaded 22" Bbl Htr Gry BA Rifle 41533. Keep them coming! keep on the good work and excuse my poor englis. In depth and honest $699.00. This post contains affiliate links to help monetize this site. I just bought a Savage Axis II XP in 308 after much research and debate amongst my hunting partners. I have a Sears gun with an FN Action and a deluxe hand checkered walnut stock (real hand checkering not junk machine cut checkering) in .270 caliber and I paid $300 for it used. Fit me like a glove. Both have V block bedding blocks (But Ruger's are Y blocks for pillar bedding the action bolts.) So, if those ones should be avoided, what rifles SHOULD hunters consider? COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Delsin Rowe is the main protagonist and playable character, a young Native-American man who later realizes hes a Conduit with special powers. Now I want another one and to get in to some long range and MAYBE some hunting. If you had a choice between XBolt Pro & Dako finnlight 85 in 300wm what one would you choose. It weighs a little heavy per the stats, Ill admit but at that price point, its very hard to ignore especially since lightweight after-market chassis can cost as much as the base model B-14, Rem 700, Tikka T3, etc. I like the fact that you backed your reviews with a substantial reason for the review vs nothing to substantiate the review. it seems well priced at about 600. What do you think of the French after some time? Sure, you can have better fit and finish, but it costs more. I agree with you 100 percent it is a home run for Springfield!!! I am from Canada- and watching your channel for quite a time. I would have to agree that no higher end rifle list should ever not have a Mod 70 or a Sako on it. I agree! I am over 50 now an i have owned and hunted 21 different rifles, that will be all brands from Rem 700, Browning , tikka, several Blasers and Sakos, Heym and some more. If you want a wood stock, metal parts, and nice bluing, feel free to spend an extra $300 or more on a Ruger Hawkeye or similar. Action is very heavy and clunky. A friend of mine was trying to talk me into a Christensen arms Ridgeline FFT but from what you said about their QC in manufacturing I\m not sure I want to risk it. I purchased a Stockys carbon stock for my Vanguard 6.5 PRC Meateater rifle and was able to shoot a suppressed 5 shot group at 100 yards that measured under 1/2 moa. You mention that you felt the Browning X-Bolt Pro was not a good fit for a heavy recoil gun. Likely sub-half-MOA. Have you had any experience with the new fierce rage? Thanks in advance. Trigger pull is most critical for me. Thanks, I have looked all over and cant find out much about these. I can not find on your website. #1. Then you can go pick up in your local store in just a couple days and do the government paperwork and walk away with it. To my surprise John Mogle responded and told me to send in my gun and they would replace the barrel and fix the problem. My builder said (because of the bad Winchester brass) he would not recommend the 68 Western. Wish I discovered your content sooner and thankful for all your hard work. XBolt Pro is a good gun but needs a new trigger. I have 13 riffles in calibers from 7mm08 , 270 ( my favorite caliber), 300H&H and 300 WM and 300WSM in Weatherby Mark V and Vanguard, Sako, Tika, Winchester model 70 pre 64 and new one, Kleingunther, Browning Xbolt, Browning medallion, BAR in 270 and 300 WM, 7mmMag in Weatherby Vanguard and Sako composite, Bennelli Lupo in 270. In our testing, we had all of the guns chambered alike, but as soon as any of the reviewers shot the Tikka after shooting the other rifles, they all commented that the recoil felt heavier. The Tikka action is by far the best in this price point because it cycles ammo perfectly, has a silky smooth bolt slide and is manufactured to a high tolerance so every last one I pick up feels just as good as the one next to it. I am finally biting the bullet and having a custom gun made. Great review I like the Sig Cross because its lightweight, easily adjustable to fit me or my kids, very accurate, and the short barrel and folding stock make it easily packable for hunts. Thanks for the videos, they have been great! i have a momentum in .308. stock looks a bit odd, but handles my frame very well. The scope hasnt moved for years now and I have shot it quite a bit. Simply depress the rear of it while sliding the bolt out the back of the receiver. Releasing the floor plate of the 4-round, internal magazine is accomplished via a lever inside the front of the trigger guard. Just how it shot when the time came. Forearm checkering extends nearly all the way forward, ending just short of another molded-in and recessed sling swivel mount. I dont want it to feel pain or the anxiety of dying slowly. Its short, compact, lightweight, sinfully accurate with my handloads, feeds 100%, and adjustable so it fits me perfectly. A junk injection molded plasticky stock that expands with heat and contracts with cold. You have my general answer, but below Ill provide more detail and reasoning for those selections, as well as some rifles not to pick. One thing I always know I need in any rifle, hunting or range, is accuracy. Went on my first hunt (elk) this October. Really enjoy your content! To be clear, youll load the rifle from the top, pushing one round at a time down and into the internal magazine, and this function allows you to safely and easily unload the Momentum. Again not a spot of rust. Zero quality control issues. I am looking for a 6.5 creedmoor bolt action hunting rifle for our place in north central west Texas. Unsurprisingly, the Momentum is equipped with a synthetic stock. 1 is the Footprint for the Action is proprietary, It is NOT made by Bergara. Spacers are included for length of pull adjustment. A very accurate danish produced rifle. Base Price: $816.99: Tax: - In Stock: Back in stock . Franchi Momentum All-Terrain Elite .308 Win 18" 1:11" Bbl TrueTimber Strata/Midnight Bronze 10+1 Rifle 41750. For the record the cheapest gun Ive ever owned is a TC compass in 6.5 Creedmoor and it has shot sub MOA with most factory offerings from day one and consistently shoots sub 1/2 moa with handloads. Ive shot heavier .308s with more felt recoil than this guy. With a Leupold VX-2 3-9x40 scope mounted on Leupold dual dovetail rings and loaded with a maximum of five rounds of ammunition, the Momentum I tested weighed almost exactly eight poundslight enough to carry on long hikes through steep country but not unpleasant to shoot. You made your point. Full Details. Thanks for such a speedy response. Am I wrong in my logic? The budget rifle video and cartridge wars are among my fav on YouTube for hunting alone. An innovative modern design with folding buttstock, pistol grip. Franchi is known for making high-quality firearms at affordable prices, and the Momentum Elite is the perfect example of this. Can you review the Sako S20 or why havent you done it yet? I have a bunch of ARs and tactical style stuff but sold the only bolt action I had before I ever fired it(Tikka CTR). (Live in northern Alberta.) Id also like to hear more about the threading on the various barrels and if they are suitable for use with a suppressor i.e. A lot of states dont allow semi-autos for big game hunting so check your regs. The stock feels really cheesy. Vald, I love me some harbor freight. Gun Review: Franchi Momentum Rifle in .308 Win, School Security: As a Parent, Hold Your School Officials Accountable, Campus Carry Celebrates Two Years in Texas, Doomsayer Professors Refuse to Comment, Gun Review: Smith & Wesson Model 317 Kit Gun .22LR Revolver, Oh, The Humanity: Latest Polling Shows a Majority of Americans Now Oppose an Assault Weapons Ban, Smith & Wesson Announces the New M&P FPC Pistol Caliber Carbine. So Id recommend just paying for it online. Id go with the Sako in that case. The stock is not very rigid, the butt pad is too stiff, and the stock geometry is only acceptable. He recommended a wildcat round, 7 mm SAW. The stock is among the best I have ever used, its reasonably lightweight, excellent on accuracy, and the manufacturing quality is reliable. stock not sticky yet? Sure, its the same action and barrel, but its dressed up completely differently, and I think it changes the gun significantly. Is yours that picky? ISO: 20ga (semi-auto, sxs, and o/u in order of priority), Recommendation for a tarp for my pack - mostly going to use to put quarters on but, FORLOH AllClima Softshell and AllClima Stretch Woven Pant Review. i would like to buy new as its going to be my first rifle so thought with mod . Seems that they manage to work loose occasionally. Like, sure. Premium recoil pad, pic rail, fluted barrel, muzzle break.MOA guaranteed accuracy like the Tikka.